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Evil Bob
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 19
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:28 am Post subject: Unofficial book errata ideas |
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While learning the rules some of the wordings (and a bunch of personal stupidity) helped me get off-track. Normally what helped was someone who reworded it some and then myself rereading it from their prospective to see that the original statements were indeed correct.
I have gotten a friend into this game and would like to do more than just hand him a copy of the FAQ. The FAQ is great, I just want another layer of certainty.
So I was thinking of handing him the following as book erratas.
Main AT-43 Rulebook page 61 top right paragraph, strike and replace with;
“Fighters equipped with multiples of the same ranged weapon may fire a number of salvos equal to the number of those weapons found on any single fighter.”
Reason to change it: The current statement can be read that units may fire as many salvos as they have weapons.
Main AT-43 Rulebook page 61 top-right example, strike and replace with;
“Example: An undamaged unit of three Iron Rains, each equipped with two light MG have three options for salvo fire when activated. When activated either all six fire at one target. Or two separate salvos of three Light MG shots. Multiple salvos can be separated by the unit’s combat movement or done at the same time. With each salvo one shot comes from each Iron Rain.
Reason to change it: While the example supports the rules. It never differentiates that they only have one multiple salvo fire option. If someone reads the prior top paragraph to mean "as many salvo fires as they have weapons" then the Iron Rain example would only represent one of many options.
AT-43 United Nations of AVA page 27 (and page 29) sub-section titled “Unit Formation”, after the first sentence insert;
“This character cannot join Fire Toad variants depicted with parenthesis within the Armored Fighting Vehicles section.
Reason to change it: The “Unit Formation” sub-sections state any Fire Toad unit. In the Armored Fighting Vehicles section all variants start with Fire Toad title and then put the variant in parenthesis. A literal reading would have it that they all are Fire Toads and that the variant title is only a nickname.
If anyone has any alternative wording from my efforts please share it. English language sentences are always open to more clarification. I have almost two weeks to hash it out before needing to print something and hand it to Nick.
More importantly if there are any other errata specific lines please share them. Someone mentioned something about the Reconstruction routine and Overseers. Right now I am not in the best of positions to write something on that. _________________ _/|\_/|\_/|\_/|\_/|\_/|\_
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OB-RT-NH-DS Sentinel


Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 5521 Location: Prospect Heights IL (Games Plus)
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:43 am Post subject: |
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I don't really see a need for this, but do what you like. _________________ Dark Sentinel-Given the name by J.B.
If you're new here, you'll come to hate me.
"I'm Dancin" Claptrap from Borderlands |
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Evil Bob
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 19
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:57 am Post subject: |
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It is just the whole issue of the FAQ in some cases contradicting the printed rules without an explanation used to leave me very concerned. If the game developers were to directly post their own that would be different. Right now it seems to be people trying to reach a consensus with official rulings here and there. Then it is all put together.
Right now I am a lot more comfortable with the vetting process than when I started.
Mainly with this I want problems with the books not to just be something that is corrected in the FAQ. But knowing where those problems are in print to avoid future problems. _________________ _/|\_/|\_/|\_/|\_/|\_/|\_
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blkdymnd Sentinel


Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 1775 Location: Shelton, WA... USA
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| Evil Bob wrote: |
It is just the whole issue of the FAQ in some cases contradicting the printed rules without an explanation used to leave me very concerned. If the game developers were to directly post their own that would be different. Right now it seems to be people trying to reach a consensus with official rulings here and there. Then it is all put together.
Right now I am a lot more comfortable with the vetting process than when I started.
Mainly with this I want problems with the books not to just be something that is corrected in the FAQ. But knowing where those problems are in print to avoid future problems. |
Actually, the FAQ listed (that Overseer Bilesuck worked very hard to consolidate), contains only what Collin Kelly has already officially ruled whether it contradicts some printed rules or not (some may have been lost in translation). They are not just rules reached in consensus by members of the forums. Unless I misunderstood and you're talking about something different than the FAQ on this forum. |
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Hybrid007 Sentinel


Joined: 20 Oct 2006 Posts: 303 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Evil Bob
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 19
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Hybrid007 wrote: |
also, collin does speak both french and english, so not much would be lost in translation here  |
I am rather greatful that Collin is willing to tackle English at all.
Originally wasn't going to bother visiting here. But after being told of a number of FAQ rulings put me in a bad position. Either disagree on some and wait for traditionally published corrects or go here and determine just how those corrections came about. _________________ _/|\_/|\_/|\_/|\_/|\_/|\_
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OB-RT-NH-DS Sentinel


Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 5521 Location: Prospect Heights IL (Games Plus)
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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I don't agree with all of them myself EB, but that's what Collin posts, so thats what I put in  _________________ Dark Sentinel-Given the name by J.B.
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Collin KELLY Dragon

Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 573 Location: France, RACKHAM Studio
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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My rise to stardom has begun!
I'm gonna have to pick up stand up comedy.
Most of the misinterpretations you'll have in the english books, also exist in the French book (and I'm not covering my..., honestly ). This is the first edition of the rules, so there ought to be some minor flaws in there. The ruling grammar not being 100% bullet proof and "grey areas" you will find in any game. It's not an excuse, more a lucid explanation.
Our game designers have deliberatly chosen to keep the syntax and grammar as simple and streamlined as possible.
Arnaud (our very own Die Hard Fan and writer) who went through a degree in law studies, has a saying for this: The more specific your are going to make a rule, the more specific grey areas you are going to create.
So you are generally better off with a general grey area that can be solved with a bit of logic and goodwill than dozens of situations that need their own bit of ruling, creating twice a many more extra-specific situations that will also need to be explained point by point.
So yes there are some rules that need a bit of interpretation, but most of the time you can rule the problems by simply looking at the situation. If you are afraid you might have some difficulties in tournaments, remember that the referee is all-mighty! He gets to unilaterally rule the problem and smite thee with the all-humilitating bat of anti-whining (or with any other blunt and preferably heavy object ) (Joke inside, Rackham does not endorse said ruling procedures...or do we?)
So enjoy the game, if you have any question, pop it up on the forum. We'll be glad to hit you back with an answer (yeah it's your job after all!).
Full refund if the answer not served with a smile!  _________________ You know why the white star pension is so good?
Cause the government does not need to keep promises it made to a deadman!
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blkdymnd Sentinel


Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 1775 Location: Shelton, WA... USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Are they feeding oxygen into your office, Collin? Thats the peppiest I think I've ever seen you  |
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Collin KELLY Dragon

Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 573 Location: France, RACKHAM Studio
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Guess I had a good week end. But let's get back to the topic.
As you might have guessed the Rackham is a real bee hive at the moment. We've got tons of things in preperation. So I can't see a second version of the FAQ in the near future. However, it will be done when things cool down a bit.
Besides the people on the forum here do a brilliant job compiling rule questions and all. If we had a clapping smiley (or better a mexican wave) I'd request a round of applause to them. _________________ You know why the white star pension is so good?
Cause the government does not need to keep promises it made to a deadman! |
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