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Collin KELLY
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| Omega Tyrant wrote: |
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| Actually, I would like more info on the Shield Formation. When the unit takes a knee, is it still considered the same height as on the card (does it block line of sight) and would the unit itself get a better armor save? I really like the other two routines. Thank you, Rackham. |
Of course I am not a Rackham representative, so you can take it or leave it but, judging by the discussions on the forums, I think this is how it goes.
Yes. (Same size)
Yes. (Blocks line of sight like a terrain element. Determined from edge of base)
No. (The armor does not increase. You have to target either the AFV or the infantry). |
What Sigma Tyrant said!
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Collin KELLY
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Not a Rackham representative here but judging by the forums on these subjects previously, I believe these may answer some questions.
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| When does the "Next Salvo" have to occur? Does it have to occur in the same activation or can it be used in Overwatch? |
"Next" ("Next Salvo") I don't think it matters if it is in "overwatch" or not. The next salvo gets re-rolls. So probably best to concentrate your fire on one the same unit. Or if you have a "split fire" drill as well you could us "fire at will" on two seperate targets.
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| 1) How is cover determined? From the base of the AFV or the physical model? |
From the edge of the base of the AFV.
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| 2) What happens during an Extra Activation? The rules state on page 59 that a combat drill remains in effect for a unit until its card is revealed again. Under "Extra Activation", it states that both cards are revealed and then activated in the order determined by the player. |
I would assume the unit that activates first and ends up in the "overwatch" units LOS would get stung (ouch) Maybe even both the infantry and the AFV unit if you put a "split-fire" on the "overwatch" unit.
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| So if an AFV and infantry will both activate and the infantry moves first, they could be subject to Overwatch attacks without having the benefit of the AFV's "Shield Formation". |
If they are foolish enough to step out from behind cover into a waiting unit, then I say they deserve it. |
What he said again! 
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wolflord
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Ouch. I felt that from here.  Thanks R for answering so quickly. 
As for thsoe of you who feel the matter is closed, I am sorry, but it is not as cut and dried as you seem to think it is. I'm glad that some of you have decreed her to be non imba, but i still have some serious doubts. I still hold firm that it is far too easy to break the game with babylon Zero.
I'll be playtesting her tomorrow hopefully and I WILL be trying to break the game and ABUSE her power, just like anyone in a tournament will be. If i can do it, then anyone can do it. It doesn't sound like the playtests so far were trying to break the game, but were using her like a normal unit and not up to her full potential.
I could be wrong, but I think that 1 lp is too few lp to pay for a single moving sniper shot, yet alone 4 of them. Especially when they are moving ANTI TANK sniper shots. It costs therians 3 lp to bring back a single normal infantry guy, yet they can spend 1 lp to destroy a vehicle in one salvo or wipe out 4 opposing heroes/officers/medics/special weapon bearers in one go? IMHO this routine needs to either go away entirely, be increased to like 1 lp per sniper shot (4 lp total), or simply allow for the choosing of location OR picking target and ignoring cover (but not both). The ability to completely ignore cover and take away cover drills, move, fire 4 anti tank shots, and use these 4 anti tank shots as sniper shots is waaaay too powerful.
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Havoc
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| IIt costs therians 3 lp to bring back a single normal infantry guy, yet they can spend 1 lp to destroy a vehicle in one salvo |
To somewhat reliably kill a Hekat (85%) at range 6 you need to spend 3 LP on Babylon Zero.
To create a Hekat (100%) you need to spend 4 LP and do not need the expensive Babylon Zero.
Overpowered? Therians do not got unlimited LP. If you try to snipe a vehicle on a turn you will have problems also using creation if you do not plan to abandon the rest of your army. |
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Sigma Golem
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Ouch. I felt that from here |
Ya, me to!!
Are these new Combat drill (Gold), Offical enough to use in a league play, with Story Mode. Or are they being designed for Operation Frostbite?
Mainly concerned with the "Offical" part. |
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OB-RT-NH-DS
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Sigma Golem wrote: |
| wolflord wrote: |
| Ouch. I felt that from here |
Ya, me to!!
Are these new Combat drill (Gold), Offical enough to use in a league play, with Story Mode. Or are they being designed for Operation Frostbite?
Mainly concerned with the "Offical" part. |
I will state once more, if your running the league, do what you want to do. I know you have old Nacord people, but tell them this is what you are running and STFU if they don't like it 
It is official if you say it is.
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corwin
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Any news about "bunkers rules"?? |
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Sigma Golem
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Sigma Golem wrote: |
| wolflord wrote: |
| Ouch. I felt that from here |
Ya, me to!!
Are these new Combat drill (Gold), Offical enough to use in a league play, with Story Mode. Or are they being designed for Operation Frostbite?
Mainly concerned with the "Offical" part. |
I will state once more, if your running the league, do what you want to do. I know you have old Nacord people, but tell them this is what you are running and STFU if they don't like it
It is official if you say it is. |
Im not running this league, they are. Im just trying to give some ideas on our local fourms here.
Perhaps using the new Combat Drills. Thats why I ask. The return question is, "The new Drills, are they offical". I asked for this reason.
I want to use them, I think it will work good with the Story mode. It will give more abilitys to the factions faster. |
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PilGrim
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Progress!
now stop The Lady in Red running routines on her RedBlok allies, nerf "Zero Fire" and we all sleep easy
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Collin KELLY
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: |
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These drills will be published in Frostbite.
These are the offcial versions of the drills.
However if you organize an event, you are sole master aboard. You get to choose if these drills can be used or not. You get to smite cheaters and whiners with the +5 rolled newspaper of ruling.
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Bleys
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Sigma Golem wrote: |
| Overseer-Bilesuck wrote: |
| Sigma Golem wrote: |
| wolflord wrote: |
| Ouch. I felt that from here |
Ya, me to!!
Are these new Combat drill (Gold), Offical enough to use in a league play, with Story Mode. Or are they being designed for Operation Frostbite?
Mainly concerned with the "Offical" part. |
I will state once more, if your running the league, do what you want to do. I know you have old Nacord people, but tell them this is what you are running and STFU if they don't like it
It is official if you say it is. |
Im not running this league, they are. Im just trying to give some ideas on our local fourms here.
Perhaps using the new Combat Drills. Thats why I ask. The return question is, "The new Drills, are they offical". I asked for this reason.
I want to use them, I think it will work good with the Story mode. It will give more abilitys to the factions faster. |
I'm running said league (and I suppose I'm a mid-range NACORD guy... not quite one of the "old NACORD" guys )
I was 100% planning on using these combat drills during the league, however I was going to not allow Nina Zero/Babylon Zero, due to the fact that we're "going back in time" (so to speak) to a point before she existed in either of those two forms...
Now I'm also planning on running the couple of AT-43 Tactics games, at some point in the not too distant future, and then probably segue into the Operation: Frostbite stuff that I'm assuming will be coming down the pike as well. 
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OB-RT-NH-DS
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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I'm running said league (and I suppose I'm a mid-range NACORD guy... not quite one of the "old NACORD" guys ) |
I hope both you guys realize I did that post with /sarcasm on Gotta keep up the old Zack traditions 
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Knight_Actual
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| where can I find one of these 5+ rolled news paper of smiting? I don't see it in the store. Is it in the pre-release section? |
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Collin KELLY
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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There will be a workshop article in CHO on how to make your own.
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darksol
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Hint: The secret to the "+5" is a roll of coins. |
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MikeZ
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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What he said again! |
Good, so put it in the god damm rules so that we're not asking the same god damm questions 6 months from now when the book finally comes out.
Mike Z |
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wolflord
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Somebody needs a time out.
I'm sure that we will see these things printed in an errata at some point. No sense in getting all upset and hostile. All it does it drag the forums down.
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darksol
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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I think he has a valid point in trying to stress to R the obvious questions that arise from the wording of a ruling, and how they could easily be headed off by a sidebar or comments in the upcoming rulebook.
I don't agree at all with the way the point's being made... but it's still a good point. 
If we have these questions based on the wordings Rackham is providing, odds are Joe Gamer who picks up the new rulebook is going to have them as well, it'd save future time and headache to cover them in the book. |
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SteveC
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Slightly off topic, But was just looking at the French Forums using Goolge Translate, and saw the "Fire at Will" combat drill gets translated into "Fire in the Hole" At least poor Will gets some relief!
I do prefer the name "Fire in the Hole" for the current Fire at Will, as FAW really means something more than what the rule has turned into. |
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Qchem
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I do prefer the name "Fire in the Hole" for the current Fire at Will, as FAW really means something more than what the rule has turned into. |
It strikes me as less appropriate, although my knowledge of what that means only comes from Hollywood. |
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