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MechaBeast
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 Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:10 am Post subject: shield formation |
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| With the new drill shield formation, can engineers destroy an AFV issued this drill. Also if an AFV is attacked in this drill does it still have all its armor and structure points. |
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Battle_Monkey_Kyle
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:26 am Post subject: |
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It still has its armor and sp, it just counts as cover for other troops basically.
Engineers should be able to blow them up good. |
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Sigma Golem
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:02 am Post subject: |
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what CH # is the shield drill in again?
I guess Ill buy 50 dollars worth of rules somtime soon!
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Battle_Monkey_Kyle
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: |
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60 unless you get a discount  |
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scottywan82
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:25 am Post subject: |
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Warstore, baby.  |
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Blokhead
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Location: Hartland, Michigan, U.S.A.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| scottywan82 wrote: |
| Warstore, baby. |
Before Blkdymnd comes in here, I will say what he usually says: Support your local gaming store before going to thewarstore.com.
Neal is a great guy, but your LGS is what gets others interested in the game locally and can give you a forum for playing the game.
Now, if you don't have an LGS, then I see no problem with shopping at thewarstore. I have done it as the closest LGS isn't an LGS for me. It is 60 miles away. 
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| With the new drill shield formation, can engineers destroy an AFV issued this drill. Also if an AFV is attacked in this drill does it still have all its armor and structure points. |
Yes. It counts as terrain with armor and SP. Kaboooooom!
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Shrapnelsmile
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Location: Central California
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Sigma Golem wrote: |
what CH # is the shield drill in again?
I guess Ill buy 50 dollars worth of rules somtime soon! |
It's much more than rules man. Our local players are very impressed with the contents for the price, and we are a cantankerous bunch of old grognards 
as the local vs. online, do any of you guys negotiate a reasonable discount with your LGS?
We secured AT-43 at ours with an approach like this:
"look we know you can't discount like the WS, but we want to shop here to support the game. We also don't want to pay $6 shipping for something that takes a loooooong time to arrive. We want it now, right before we play. and special pre-orders are cool too.
we now have 15% guaranteed for all Rackham, with another 5% from the stores program (this is a Hobbytown) that rewards you for each 100 duckets you spend. and sometimes, with his manager approval, the sales are better. We had 20% off all gaming books last month.
Totally sweet deal for supporting an LGS, and guess what -- AT-43 is now their second best selling game, including beating TOG "Sword and sorcery version" and "mecha- heavy blitzkrieg and even their RPG's. All RPG's combined!
when a store thinks they can't afford to discount, we stroll in and let them know the 6 of us dropped $810 dollars total online last month, and we no longer want to. They begin to work with you from there.
We're stoked and I'm doing a demo tonight.
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Shrapnelsmile
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: shield formation |
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| MechaBeast wrote: |
| With the new drill shield formation, can engineers destroy an AFV issued this drill. Also if an AFV is attacked in this drill does it still have all its armor and structure points. |
a few more questions:
when in shield formation, the AFV's take NO damage from shooting (just like terrain) unless they are targeted?
Secondly, if they are targeted, it is resolved as normal per the standard rules (which have slipped my mind).
When provided cover, do you create the angle by the entire base or WYSI the cover UG? (with 50% rule still in effect)
lastly, are there any limitations to what the AFV's can do next round as
the rise up and get ready to rumble again?
Thanks...
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Battle_Monkey_Kyle
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Afv's still take damage, they are still a AFV. The whole point of the drill is to simply allow units to take cover behind an afv, which they could not do before. |
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Sigma Golem
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Location: Kings Island, Ohio
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Kyle_Dragonov wrote: |
| 60 unless you get a discount |
Yeah, thanks alot. And NO, I did'nt get a discount today!!!!
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Aftermath
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:18 am Post subject: Re: shield formation |
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| Shrapnelsmile wrote: |
| when in shield formation, the AFV's take NO damage from shooting (just like terrain) unless they are targeted? |
Correct.
| Shield formation! combat drill text wrote: |
| Its members are now considered as destroyable terrain elements with all its advantages and disadvantages (see AT-43: The Rulebook¸ p. 97). |
| Shrapnelsmile wrote: |
| Secondly, if they are targeted, it is resolved as normal per the standard rules (which have slipped my mind). |
Correct.
| Shrapnelsmile wrote: |
| When provided cover, do you create the angle by the entire base or WYSI the cover UG? (with 50% rule still in effect) |
Use the base.
| Shield formation! combat drill text wrote: |
| Use the armored fighting vehicle’s base to determine who is behind cover. |
| Shrapnelsmile wrote: |
| lastly, are there any limitations to what the AFV's can do next round as the rise up and get ready to rumble again? |
No, there are not.
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Saint Anuman
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Location: Hollis NH USA
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Blokhead wrote: |
| scottywan82 wrote: |
| Warstore, baby. |
Before Blkdymnd comes in here, I will say what he usually says: Support your local gaming store before going to thewarstore.com.
Neal is a great guy, but your LGS is what gets others interested in the game locally and can give you a forum for playing the game.
Now, if you don't have an LGS, then I see no problem with shopping at thewarstore. I have done it as the closest LGS isn't an LGS for me. It is 60 miles away.
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THANK YOU blokhead!
With the growing store closings(another in my area just folded Avid games in Mass.) we need that type of reminder now and again Neal is a great guy but have you ever played a game with him. Has he ever held a sanctioned event for any game he sells or done a demo for a new player. Has he ever donated prize support to the local play group? Has he or any online store ever provided anyone a place to play games or hold events?
These things sound be on everyone's minds including any one thinking of being a sentinel in the up coming months.
Just something to ponder please have fun and continue- |
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GorillaGuerrilla
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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With the growing store closings(another in my area just folded Avid games in Mass.) we need that type of reminder now and again Neal is a great guy but have you ever played a game with him. Has he ever held a sanctioned event for any game he sells or done a demo for a new player. Has he ever donated prize support to the local play group? Has he or any online store ever provided anyone a place to play games or hold events?
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In all fairness to Neal, doesn't he also have a store? I'm all for supporting the LGS, but to be honest I'd rather save 20% off of product. I have a family to support, and they take priority over any LGS. |
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jc_madden
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I'd rather have a local place to run tournaments and exhibition games, and as already mentioned prize support. I've got a family to take care of too, but saving 20% would not be enough to make a difference for me. If I could only afford to play if the models were 80% retail, I would not play.
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primarchUNA
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Location: Edmond Oklahoma
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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With the growing store closings(another in my area just folded Avid games in Mass.) we need that type of reminder now and again Neal is a great guy but have you ever played a game with him. Has he ever held a sanctioned event for any game he sells or done a demo for a new player. Has he ever donated prize support to the local play group? Has he or any online store ever provided anyone a place to play games or hold events?
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In all fairness to Neal, doesn't he also have a store? I'm all for supporting the LGS, but to be honest I'd rather save 20% off of product. I have a family to support, and they take priority over any LGS. |
Hi!
THIS.
The internet has long since made the LGS obsolete. You can even find and organize groups for virtually any game online as well.
I rather play at home, inviting my good friends there, thus avoiding those elements I don't want to game with.
The LGS, to me offers nothing that can best 20% off.
I used to run my very own LGS in the early to mid 90's, even back then the writing was on the wall.
In the marketplace price is king.
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Saint Anuman
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| primarchUNA wrote: |
| GorillaGuerrilla wrote: |
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With the growing store closings(another in my area just folded Avid games in Mass.) we need that type of reminder now and again Neal is a great guy but have you ever played a game with him. Has he ever held a sanctioned event for any game he sells or done a demo for a new player. Has he ever donated prize support to the local play group? Has he or any online store ever provided anyone a place to play games or hold events?
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In all fairness to Neal, doesn't he also have a store? I'm all for supporting the LGS, but to be honest I'd rather save 20% off of product. I have a family to support, and they take priority over any LGS. |
Hi!
THIS.
The internet has long since made the LGS obsolete. You can even find and organize groups for virtually any game online as well.
I rather play at home, inviting my good friends there, thus avoiding those elements I don't want to game with.
The LGS, to me offers nothing that can best 20% off.
I used to run my very own LGS in the early to mid 90's, even back then the writing was on the wall.
In the marketplace price is king.
PrimarchUNA |
Those are some sad statements for the gaming community and long time life of gaming as a whole. 
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Battle_Monkey_Kyle
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Local gaming stores would be wise to offer actual discounts on products. Really so many LGS just refuse to offer any form of price and sell everything strictly at MSRP. 
So they often just end up selling what people don't usually care for online.... packs of cards for CCGs.
I buy alot online, and usually if its items that are just too expensive or reasonable for what it is. But when I can and it's not a big deal, I'll always take the convenience of going down to the local LGS to buy my gaming products even if its going to cost me extra. |
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Sigma Golem
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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I know Ive been really using the pc alot6, when gathering product needed. Its so much cheaper, Plus Im sick of the stores charging more to line their pockets!!
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Blokhead
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Sigma Golem wrote: |
| I know Ive been really using the pc alot6, when gathering product needed. Its so much cheaper, Plus Im sick of the stores charging more to line their pockets!! |
Become a Sentinel and support your LGS in their endeavor to sell Rackham products. 
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Battle_Monkey_Kyle
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| Sentinels get a discount? |
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