New Rules For Activation Question.

Supaplex · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 402 Location: Russia

The questin is:
i have 2 units of steel troopers. One is 12 men with missles and one 12 men with laser cannons. So 2 cards, one with missle speshial weapon, one with laser cannon. Can i activate the unit with lascanon with card of the other unit?

anabasis76deathdealer · Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 289 Location: Virginia, USA

I don't believe you can. If you can differentiate the units by the card then that coresponding unit should be activated. If you have two generic unit cards that do not, however you could pick which one to activate.
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Supaplex · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 402 Location: Russia

Ok, some one can post here new rules from errata?

Sigma Golem · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject:

The way I play it.

I have 3 of the same units of Spetsnatz Kommandos in my army list, sgt., flamers(3). Once the second round comes around and these 3 units still stand, I build my activation sequence with the Spetsnatz units and all the other units, as per the rules.

During the second activation I pick my Spetsnatz unit card from my sequence activation and choose to activate any one of the 3 units of Spetsnats Flamer units. Now this can only be done, once per unit. So you could'nt activate the same unit twice.

The only measure I use for the "Same Unit stats", is the special weapon bearers and the amount of special weapons. The flamer card can't activate the rocket launcher card, or vise versa.
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Sigma Golem · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject:

Havoc · Joined: 30 Dec 2006 Posts: 2089 Location: Stockholm, Sweden

The special weapon on the card must be the same as the special weapon of the unit. Here is the relevant ruling:

http://en-forum.at-43.com/viewtopic.php?t=4103

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Gurth · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject:

So isn't this simply a very good reason to not use cards with special weapon stats on them in your activation sequence? I mean, Colin Kelly's reply linked above does not specifically prohibit using officer cards to represent units, and officer cards have no special weapons on them …
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Supaplex · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 402 Location: Russia

Hmmm, am i correct?

chillatbmth · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject:

Havoc · Joined: 30 Dec 2006 Posts: 2089 Location: Stockholm, Sweden

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anabasis76deathdealer · Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 289 Location: Virginia, USA

Or how about this...You use the card that actually represents the unit (with the appropriate special weapons) and have a little freaking accountabilty when you discover you made a tactical mistake in arranging you activation sequence...perish the thought!
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Black Knight · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject:

Or even better...have a rule that requires you to activate the right unit!

What a silly ruling.

OB-RT-NH-DS · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject:

Battle_Monkey_Kyle · Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 2057

Ruling made to simplify things, just makes things more confusing. Way to go.

Havoc · Joined: 30 Dec 2006 Posts: 2089 Location: Stockholm, Sweden

Havoc · Joined: 30 Dec 2006 Posts: 2089 Location: Stockholm, Sweden

I have posted a rules question about it:
http://en-forum.at-43.com/viewtopic.php?p=61275#61275

Just tell me if you think anything need to be added or changed.

Sigma Golem · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:37 pm Post subject:

this system takes honesty and common sense. If your steel troops, 3 laser gun special weapons die before you activate the card, of course you cannot activate the card with a missle crew card, even though it still belongs to the steel troops. This is where honesty and dignity come into play. Perhaps coloured chips are needed now!

The card is still in your activation sequence, desingated for a specific unit and special weapon bearer. Missles, Laser guns, ect.

This is a very easy system with no confusion what's so ever.

Edit:Officers of the same standing units and special weapons have nothing to do with this system. So if there is 2 units of star troops with flamers and one is the Col and the other is a Sgt, yes, you may use the activation system errata. Maybe Im wrong on this one, because the unit may loose his authority value (officer rank), and units will be able to activate without spending the proper LP.
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OB-RT-NH-DS · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject:

But it is not so cut and dry as you hope Sigma, not since the errata where a card can activate any unit of that type. It opens up a lot of areas that were not grey before. So a rule made to make things easier led to more complex questions.
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