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YoungOlo
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 Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:41 am Post subject: Grounded units vs grounded fighters |
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Hi there
I was asked an important question, and I couldn't find definitive answer neithe in the AT-43 rulebook, nor here on the forums:
When exactly the unit's state is changed to grounded?
The rulebook says:
| AT-43 Rulebook, p. 57 wrote: |
When a grounded unit is activated, the following rules apply:
- When half or fewer than half of the fighters in a unit are grounded, their companions give them a hand to get back up. The grounded miniatures are put back up and the unit may act as usual;
- When more than half of the fighters in the unit are grounded, the whole unit is considered grounded. The miniatures are put back up, but the unit cannot perform any action or be given any combat drill. |
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| AT-43 Rulebook, p. 59 wrote: |
| An infantry unit engaged or grounded (see above) loses its combat drills and cannot be given new ones as long as it is engaged or grounded. |
These are the only mentions of grounded as a state of a unit (as opposed to grounded as a state of a fighter) and both of them suggest unit state is changed to grounded before the beginning of its next activation. The most logical option seems to be the unit gets grounded immediately after an indirect fire weapon grounds some of its fighters. Is this correct? If so, how many fighters of the unit needs to be grounded for the whole unit to count as grounded?
I can see three options here:
- 1 or more fighters grounded = unit grounded (Jon Finn's opinion)
- more than half of the unit's fighters grounded = unit grounded (Aftermath's opinion)
- all of the unit's fighters grounded = unit grounded (noone believes it is so  )
Also, if the above is true (ie, unit's state changes to grounded immediately after enough of its fighters beeing grounded), how it works with an overwatch fire? In other words: If enough of the unit's fighters become grounded as a result of an overwatch fire, can the rest of the (not grounded) fighters continue to perform actions (move, shoot, fight) as they are not grounded, or is the whole unit grounded and none of its fighters can perform actions? I have found a discussion suggesting the rest of the fighters can act normally, but it is nothing official...
Example #1:
Six Steel troopers were given "Overwatch!" and "Take cover!" combat drills in their activation. Later on, in opponnent's unit activation, they were shot at by some indirect fire weapons. One of them died of explosion, and three of the remeining five Steel Troopers were grounded. Does the unit state changes to grounded immediately and the unit loses its combat drills or is it only changed at the beginning of the unit's next activation (when they don't have any of the combat drills, because they last until the beginning of activation)?
Example #2:
Three Bane Goliaths perform combat movement, that triggers an overwatch fire from some indirect fire weapons. None of them gets killed, but two of them gets grounded. Can the third one still shoot, or is the whole unit considered grounded?
Please answer the questions marked in blue, with the use of above examples, if possible.
Thanks in advance for your answers,
YoungOlo
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JB LULLIEN-KOCHANSKI
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Hello, officer YoungOlo !
A unit becomes "grounded" when it is activated. The sentence "An infantry unit engaged or grounded (see above) loses its combat drills and cannot be given new ones as long as it is engaged or grounded" only means that the unit lose combat drills and cannot get any when it becomes grounded or engaged. The "engaged" state is given as soon as an ennemy fighter is closed enough at the end of his move, but the "grounded" state is given only at the activation of the unit. Until this activation, and even in the case of an overwatch fire using indirect weapons, the unit is ready to fight and is not considered grounded, even if more than half of its fighters are lying down. It can perform any action it would have been able to perform if no indirect fire weapons have been used against it.
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Example #1:
Six Steel troopers were given "Overwatch!" and "Take cover!" combat drills in their activation. Later on, in opponnent's unit activation, they were shot at by some indirect fire weapons. One of them died of explosion, and three of the remeining five Steel Troopers were grounded. Does the unit state changes to grounded immediately and the unit loses its combat drills or is it only changed at the beginning of the unit's next activation (when they don't have any of the combat drills, because they last until the beginning of activation)? |
The steel trooper unit keeps its combat drill and may use "overwatch" against ennemy targets.
 Remark : Some fighters are lying down: this will very probably change their line of sight.
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Example #2:
Three Bane Goliaths perform combat movement, that triggers an overwatch fire from some indirect fire weapons. None of them gets killed, but two of them gets grounded. Can the third one still shoot, or is the whole unit considered grounded? |
They can shoot all the three (but only on what they see now that some of them are lying down !) and even use combat drills, since the grounded state will take effect on the beginning of their next activation.
You can dismiss !
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